Following on from my last post, thanks for the comments, you are all pretty much spot on in what you say, I am losing a lot of big pots of which the hand below is a good example of where I'm going wrong: -
http://www.pokerhand.org/?1770409
Now I think I played this pretty poorly from the flop but it sums up pretty well some of the issues I'm having post flop at the the moment. Looking back, I think I should have bet out the flop but thought I was well ahead at this point so checked with a view to Check Raising if he'd bet out. Then on the Turn, I again checked which was a bit stupid and my check raise was not high enough. On the River, I knew he had the flush but decided to make the call any way. I need to learn to lay down this type of hand. His Stats are 30.64/5.96.
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Hi Chris
I think if you get into the habit of always leading out after raising preflop it wont be a bad thing . It will enable you too disguies the big hands better also
You dont want people thinking you are playing diferently with these , although trips are tempting to slowplay
Agree, if you never check a big hand after raising preflop, you won't be making much of a mistake, assuming you also c-bet to take down the pot when you miss.
You analyzed the hand pretty well, IMO. Another good reason to bet this flop is that it's quite likely he caught some piece of it (pair+ and/or a draw of some sort). So, he is going to find a lot of reasons to call your flop bet. If you are looking to checkraise, you could still do that on the turn if a safe card falls.
Remember something that Pete said in that long email thread....fastplaying is the new slowplaying :).
As far as the river goes, I think that you are OK to make the call, but it is not the best line on the river, IMO. I would much rather bet out on the river than check/call...he will give you no credit for a flush, and will call a lot of hands that you beat, if he was willing to call the turn.
I dont think you need to be thinking about folding this hand imo you should have most or all of his money in befor the river.
If you standerd cbet this flop alot of the time people will peel one card, by doing that you can bet big on the turn so if you played it like that you would of had around half of his stack in the pot an easy allin on the river.
Its ok to slow play to at times but if you do you have to be willing to laydown good hands if the card you dont want to hit hits. But with KKK i probably never would unless you have the nuts with no draws.
I think Marc was right on about the hand. If you never slow play there, it won't hurt you much if anything at all. I understand if you want to mix it up and play a lot of hands against the same opponents, but that's not the case right? I think you have to lead the flop, but as played, I put out a blocker bet on the river and my mistake an aggressive one, rather than calling down.
I agree that flopping top set and checking first in on all 3 streets might be a bit of a passive line. :D
Just lead the flop every time. If the board was like K62 rainbow then checking is ok because you need to let him catch up and there are no draws out. But here you could get outdrawn, and more importantly he might have caught a piece of this.
On the turn we neeeed to build a pot or else we're not going to win a big one. It's even more likely he's caught a piece here too, just bet. :) I don't like your check-raise, it's too small $7-8 looks good.
River. We've played so passively all hand that we don't know where we're at, so we have to call.
it looks like you know exactly what happened. i'm a fan of betting out the flop here for a standard c-bet.
as played i'm also a fan of the blocker bet on the river, maybe just shy of half pot here to absolutely convince me that a raise is strength, not simply a reaction to my weakness.
that would cut the river loss to what, $6.5 instead of $10?
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